tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7150748600895135243.post9148238525946673338..comments2024-03-10T05:59:47.207-03:00Comments on Kyrieru: All ages dilemmaUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger68125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7150748600895135243.post-79763078614238970082013-03-06T12:05:00.701-04:002013-03-06T12:05:00.701-04:00Then I look forward to the day when that is the ca...Then I look forward to the day when that is the case, and will continue to support you in what small ways I can until then. I'm just sorry that there is no more I can do than buy your games when they are released.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00669764235735411759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7150748600895135243.post-37703765164659463202013-03-05T18:33:05.671-04:002013-03-05T18:33:05.671-04:00When it comes down to it, though, it's impossi...When it comes down to it, though, it's impossible to release a non-H version of a hentai game. It would always come out that the original had adult content.<br /><br />On the bright side, I will eventually do some non-H games. Certainly more metroidvanias, and some that may be similar in tone to Kurovadis, abeit with superior graphics and better gameplay.<br />Kyrieruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17876819587515800795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7150748600895135243.post-44906074775671410732013-03-05T17:51:21.519-04:002013-03-05T17:51:21.519-04:00I know this is way, way late, but I would really a...I know this is way, way late, but I would really appreciate if there was a non-h version of this game. In my case, it is as you mentioned in the post: I would love to share this game with others, but the nature of its content limits who I can share it with. And I would honestly love to share this game, because it is easily the best Metroid/action platformer style game I have ever played. You really deserve a lot of credit for creating such a fantastic system; everything, the art, the music, the gameplay, all of it combines to create an exceptional gaming experience.<br /><br />You could always call the non-H version simply "Vadis"; I'm certain I saw that name somewhere, possibly in the demo? Whatever you decide, and whether you choose to make a non-H version or not, I hope that you take pride in the work you've done. You've created a rare gem in this.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00669764235735411759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7150748600895135243.post-58028116099241438572013-01-13T19:35:08.946-04:002013-01-13T19:35:08.946-04:00This is the same sort of issue as having a no-bloo...This is the same sort of issue as having a no-blood option in a fighting game.<br /><br />Have it be an option and there's no issue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7150748600895135243.post-63928134116657361632012-12-28T01:10:03.659-04:002012-12-28T01:10:03.659-04:00nice and great sharing, i like this blog very much...nice and great sharing, i like this blog very much and i hope that my friends will also like it, i am going to share it on my fb with my friends, thank you Kyrieru Blogging Moneyhttp://www.makemoney.pknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7150748600895135243.post-21944287160695594392012-12-19T06:34:49.967-04:002012-12-19T06:34:49.967-04:00> So, what would you do?
Dropping adult part o...> So, what would you do?<br /><br />Dropping adult part of the game in order to appeal to larger audience looks hypocritical to me so I wouldn't do anything - if somebody can't stand mature content, they shouldn't play it. <br /><br />Type-Moon has created fate/stay night and tsukihime which eventually spawned anime, merchandise, etc. Original games were adult, which doesn't make them worse. <br /><br />Making games is essentially art, and removing "objectionable" content is essentially defacing the creation. It is also ridiculous idea, like removing zombies from left4dead or removing sex from sengoku rance. <br /><br />American publishers are pretty famous for butchering anime and games (changing names, redrawing sprites, etc). They butchered persona 1 for playstation (most horrible localization, etc), cut many scenes from anime they release, etc. Nobody should follow their example.<br /><br />I think that the right idea is to keep game as it is, without changing it in order to appeal for the larger audience. If somebody can't play it because of their beliefs, tough luck. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7150748600895135243.post-35019657418141592942012-12-10T18:26:28.086-04:002012-12-10T18:26:28.086-04:00...though if nothing else, if that did happen, it&......though if nothing else, if that did happen, it'd bring in more H gamers xDAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7150748600895135243.post-49880679182325205632012-12-10T06:51:45.542-04:002012-12-10T06:51:45.542-04:00As said, it's plainly obvious that releasing a...As said, it's plainly obvious that releasing a clean version won't prevent people from searching it up and finding out about the game's history. If you release it, I could see one of two things happening. If it gets popular, you'll be marked as "that weird guy who can really make a great game... and fills it with cartoon porn." People will complain, and it will subtly shadow anything else you come out with. If it doesn't get popular, then nothing much is lost.<br /><br />If it was up to me, I'd have kept the fun game and the H-game two separate things. If I was to release it though, I'd change the name and quickly try to churn out some new graphics to make it look totally different, but still be fundamentally the same. Make a separate blog and a new owner name and you're set to rake in the dough. You can vehemently deny its history then if you want.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7150748600895135243.post-30336107081323378172012-12-07T04:04:04.008-04:002012-12-07T04:04:04.008-04:00Not saying it'd be good if he made a no-H vers...Not saying it'd be good if he made a no-H version because I'm some hypocritical jerk that wants to kill the horrible corruption...<br />I just know others who would enjoy it and buy it xD<br />Some of them younger people, and the rest, well, average gamers.<br />And I really don't think it matters what it started as...as long as the game's good, that fact probably wouldn't get too much attention.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7150748600895135243.post-72360891367833673362012-12-03T18:52:44.916-04:002012-12-03T18:52:44.916-04:00Thanks for the reply Kyrieru. :)
I was a huge fan...Thanks for the reply Kyrieru. :)<br /><br />I was a huge fan of your last game, and I'm looking forward to buying your next one, too!acachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09206914499644432300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7150748600895135243.post-83913815165180447262012-12-03T08:57:16.812-04:002012-12-03T08:57:16.812-04:00Dead Space had a story? /sarc
If it's a good ...Dead Space had a story? /sarc<br /><br />If it's a good game, you can't just start subtracting the elements that make it a good game and expect it to work out for the better. And adult content has tons of possibilities. People are just too wishy-washy in using it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7150748600895135243.post-67246023570917754362012-12-03T06:38:10.331-04:002012-12-03T06:38:10.331-04:00I say go ahead and make a toggle-able clean versio...I say go ahead and make a toggle-able clean version. In the end, especially with rule 34, it won't matter whether there's a separate H version; people will find the porn. Parents aren't going to let their kids play it, and as the original Mortal Kombat demonstrated, kids will play even terrible games just because they're forbidden. The uptight will get offended just because they found out the artist drew sex or nudity at any point during their career. There is absolutely no way to please this crowd or avoid offending them. The best you can do is present your product as adult, but also mature enough to turn off the sleaze. For other mature adults who like that option.<br /><br />Rape is a very vile act, but then so is murder. Especially large scale, planet-wrecking, genocidal, super galactic Hitler murder. Yet we're fine with that even in kids' entertainment, so long as it isn't graphic. Billions die in Star Wars but it wasn't on screen so it's A-okay for a six year old. We even let them dress up as the bad guys who committed the act for fun, because that's how inoffensive fiction works. So long as there's a "don't show anything" option, or better yet, "don't even let anything happen" option, I'm pretty sure it covers all the bases. And if not... then our stigma is so nonsensical, it deserves to be challenged.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7150748600895135243.post-68719786428249430262012-12-03T01:43:01.267-04:002012-12-03T01:43:01.267-04:00Well, the new game isn't the sequel to Kurovad...Well, the new game isn't the sequel to Kurovadis, so none of the music will be in it. Though once I make the sequel, it may have some remixes in it.<br /><br />In terms of how many tracks, there are more areas in this game, so at the very least there will be more songs. <br /><br />As for what I learned, I haven't really changed all that much since then in terms of composing ability. However at the time I had only been playing guitar for a couple months. So, chances are the only real difference will be that I'm better at playing guitar at this point. (As well as some other instruments)Kyrieruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17876819587515800795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7150748600895135243.post-51873394628368110712012-12-02T21:31:23.593-04:002012-12-02T21:31:23.593-04:00Hey Kyrieru,
Can you please elaborate on the musi...Hey Kyrieru,<br /><br />Can you please elaborate on the music of the new game? Are there going to be more or less tracks compared to the last game? Will any of the music from the last game appear in the new game? How about remixes? What have you learned from making the previous game's OST, that you can apply to the new game's OST?<br /><br />I'm a huge fan of your music, especially Mansion and Last Area, so I thought I'd ask. :)<br /><br />Cheers!acachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09206914499644432300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7150748600895135243.post-31921128121711184852012-12-02T19:45:42.398-04:002012-12-02T19:45:42.398-04:00Name it something else, simple as that. Also cons...Name it something else, simple as that. Also consider a safe blog with content updates that dont involve the H content.<br /><br />Thought a stretch, its possible you may see increased revenue, which is the reward of having the extra burden of runnign two blogs.<br /><br />I say do itAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7150748600895135243.post-56564576493195661502012-12-02T16:26:38.585-04:002012-12-02T16:26:38.585-04:00Kyrieru,i live only for your postssss,where wil be...Kyrieru,i live only for your postssss,where wil be next ? ;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7150748600895135243.post-58200659601222791862012-12-02T03:12:04.325-04:002012-12-02T03:12:04.325-04:00I'm in the doesn't care either way camp, b...I'm in the doesn't care either way camp, but if it wasn't for the H elements I'd buy this for my brother and he'd love it, heh.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7150748600895135243.post-49710805650429442932012-11-30T23:53:05.814-04:002012-11-30T23:53:05.814-04:00I would consider how you plan on selling the game....I would consider how you plan on selling the game. if you are selling it from Dlsight then calling it an all-age version should be fine as only someone oblivious would not know they sell 18+ software. if you are thinking of selling from Steam you need to read the terms & conditions vary carefully, then call a representative to discuss the problem. the flack from players doesn't worry me nearly as much as how the company will react (lawsuit anyone.) Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7150748600895135243.post-61867781236396242362012-11-30T15:54:03.589-04:002012-11-30T15:54:03.589-04:00I was introduced to Kurovadis not as an adult game...I was introduced to Kurovadis not as an adult game. Somebody is speedrunning it and it got mentioned on "The Sunday Sequence Break". I'm assuming that because they're not adult-oriented they were not aware either of the adult content. As such although the preview screen on the main blog had porn elements to it, I was never really sure about the game, and gave it a try. Getting caught by that first plant monster...I actually felt a little sick. <br /><br />The game is very good, and it's hard to find metroidvanias, so I persevered and got a lot of enjoyment out of the game, especially with save hacking once I'd beaten it. The game is very solid, I love the art style, and the movement is fluid and fun.<br /><br />However. There is a difference between adult content and graphic rape. People mention stuff like the Witcher, which is like saying that God of War or GTA is an adult game. They're not, and even if they were, with graphic depictions of sexual situations, you'd never get a commercially available product that includes rape as anything but a hinted-at and horrible character-defining moment.<br /><br />In answer to your question about all-ages, I'd personally lean towards having a toggle, and upfront admitting the adult content...but I'd say it's too late for that option. Graphic rape will always be a spectre over Kurovadis; there's no way you could convince a mother or a casual buyer that something with ties to that stuff is "OK because the gameplay is really good!". I'm pretty entrenched in internet culture, and yet if I weren't so desperate for metroidvanias I would have missed out on this gem of a game, because of the shocking nature of the adult content.<br /><br />Speaking artistically, I think there's merit to representing rape as you do. It's presented as something horrible, to be avoided, and the musical cues and animations definitely imply something hideous; you feel closer to the main character and want to protect her and so on. But you can't have that if it's also intended as masturbation material; the two are mutually exclusive. Further to that, I think most people are aware that rape is horrible, so there's no need to really represent this artistically, unless you're trying to make a point about all the people online who do mental gymnastics to tell themselves it's OK to fantasize about rape because the people aren't real etc.<br /><br />My thoughts then are that you'll probably never be able to sell Kurovadis to a "more casual" market. If you're pushing for an artistic message, stick to your guns and keep in the rape and it'll just have to be viewed by a niche audience. If you're just interested in making neat games with adult elements, I'd recommend not ever including rape, and where you do include adult content, allow a toggle. I think most people will be comfortable with playing a game that has adult content, and turning it off if they don't want it, but rape is a line you only want to cross with a very specific and well thought out purpose. Internet culture based on hentai doujins tends to blur that line, but I would hope and expect that for most people off or casually involved with the internet, that line is a lot more sharply defined.<br /><br />Thank you for your time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7150748600895135243.post-53581088378110487612012-11-30T07:12:27.215-04:002012-11-30T07:12:27.215-04:00I don't think things are as black and white as...I don't think things are as black and white as saying that either a) the gameplay is bad and therefore the H content is the sole quality of the game or b) the gameplay is good, thus the H content is optional.<br /><br />Kurovadis certainly fits category b), but from my point of view, adult content can be a game-defining element, just like a game's story or setting.<br /><br />If the gameplay mechanics are good, does the story become optional? Could you take "Dead Space" for example, keep the gameplay mechanics, but make the character a friendly guy running around a fair with a hair dryer helping people who have gotten water on their limbs?<br /><br />Now take MitsukoX/SpaceEscape (link is in Kyrieru's blogroll) - it has an arousal meter that controls how accepting the heroine is of certain "struggles" - replacing that with an all-ages equivalent would be quite a piece of work, I think.<br /><br />Or if a game had romance, sex and pregnancy as part of its game mechanics, what will it be replaced with? It's easy to forget that adult content has lots of possibilities and depth, too, given the timid treatment it gets in most games :)Zikarenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7150748600895135243.post-26473519817161015072012-11-29T14:34:41.812-04:002012-11-29T14:34:41.812-04:00The rape mechanic is a grapple mechanic. Every sin...The rape mechanic is a grapple mechanic. Every single rape animation could easily be replaced by an all-ages grappling animation without any change to the game's mechanics.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7150748600895135243.post-86786745178701524912012-11-29T10:49:13.390-04:002012-11-29T10:49:13.390-04:00Or are you considering this for people who have th...Or are you considering this for people who have their moms behind their* backs. lol.<br />---<br />freaking typo.. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7150748600895135243.post-14039566699244161692012-11-29T10:47:10.054-04:002012-11-29T10:47:10.054-04:00"So, what would you do? Would you release the..."So, what would you do? Would you release the all-ages game under the same name as the adult version? In the all-ages version, would you make it immediately obvious that although not 18+, it's still associated with adult content? Or do you think it's better left as an 18+ game, but with an in-game option that allows you to disable all 18+ content?"<br /><br />None of the above.<br />If I were you, I'd make a different game that has no adult content. I don't think this is similar to AAA games that has the option to remove blood/gore since that is just an aesthetic feature. The rape in kurovadis is pretty much a game mechanic. As simple as it is, it is still a game mechanic that caters to a specific demographic. People who knew kurovadis will know it as an adult game. It's kinda pointless to censor your game at this point.<br /><br />Or are you considering this for people who have their moms behind they're backs. lol.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7150748600895135243.post-23389732267753245402012-11-28T23:31:43.479-04:002012-11-28T23:31:43.479-04:00-Kuro, +Kyrieru. I am smert.-Kuro, +Kyrieru. I am smert.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7150748600895135243.post-35510762200472756682012-11-28T23:29:45.741-04:002012-11-28T23:29:45.741-04:00If you're making an eroge, then the gameplay c...If you're making an eroge, then the gameplay cannot be separated from the ero content. There is no middle ground. If you make a game with good gameplay, and then tack on ero content at the end, it's just a tease. It lacks sufficient interplay between what you do, and the way the ero content is presented and enjoyed. You save the princess, or are scripted to fail, and a scene happens of its own accord. No fun. It's not good ero content.<br /><br />If you make a game with good ero content, but it lacks gameplay, then it is not a good ero game for its gameplay. It's probably just a glorified mini-game setup, which does not serve to benefit the ero content presented. Usually, such games merely throw in filler to BLOCK you getting to ero content, essentially copying from MMORPG'uhs by making you do boring work for what is essentially a CG set. This is why most ero content follows the traditional novel format with predetermined choices. You're not going to bother to try to make an enjoyable session out of it, so why make the user sit through it?<br /><br />Kurovadis is on the far side of "good gameplay, mostly teasing," saved by the fact that it has rape as a consequence of situational failure, and manages to connect your failures to the end result of your current struggle via CG art linked to who you fail against. Lacking a fleshed story, it conveys its content through the aforementioned means. Because it is a damn good game for the market, and shows polish and potential, one can forgive its limited ero content and hope for an improvement in not only the future gameplay, but the ero content.<br /><br />You cannot take the ero out of eroge, just as you can't take the ge out of ero. It's an erotic game. If you don't have good gameplay that somehow links up with good eroticism, then you still have room for improvement. And there are good eroge out there. For all its many failures, AliceSoft and similar companies at least try to merge your wins/failures in the game with the content you can experience. They do not stop simply at "choice A, finish game start over, choice b repeat," but actually penalize you for failing to do things well, and reward (or sometimes punish) you for doing well. Were they to introduce ero content into the actual gameplay itself, it would be very nice.<br /><br />Some DLsite games have made inroads into that idea, at least trying to break through. Kuro sounds like he's wondering what the most worthwhile path is: to focus on the gameplay and keep the sex, or drop the sex and go gameplay. If you want to be the boss and make something wonderful, sometimes you can't neglect either.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com